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Joshua Milton Blahyi
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Posted - 2014.12.20 17:11:42 -
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I am glad CCP was kind enough to release the counter to these recons before making these changes.
No way confessor prices are going down to 40 mill anytime soon, there will be too much demand.
Pilgrim really needs to be redone though. Being a weaker curse with a cloak is trash. |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.20 18:23:56 -
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maCH'EttE wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:hellokittyonline wrote: I do actually fly in gangs, albeit small gangs. The main reason I fly solo or in small gangs is because I am looking for a challenge. I however like to find challenges where my ability as a PvPer can surmount numbers, however with improper intel, and no way for me or my small gang to gain intel (aside from yet again one of us having a probing alt or *shudders* BEING the probing alt) it just gives another unneeded advantage to all the coolbros who want to pay to win. Dscan immunity not having some features of the covert cloak is not a downside. It is merely a(n arguably) lesser upside with no downside.
If you fly in gangs then there is no problem. Your scout should have probes and a cloak anyway. Probes negate it's distance advantage, and having eyes on grid with a cloak shows you what's on grid waiting for you. Probes literally take seconds to get the same intel you would have gotten out of d-scan. So why all the "if you make me get another account I'll unsub and go play something else"? I swear you must fly in large gangs, cuz your repetitive lip keeps saying, probes, probes, scouts, probes, probe scout, scout with combat probes, combat probes. you must not have a clue on how small gangs or solo combat works. Some people dont have the luxory of flying in 20+ gangs with links/sout/logi/ecm. wait let me guess, get a cloaky scout with probes.
Confessor. Has probes, DPS, can hide in small pieces away from scary recons. |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.20 20:44:51 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:so people are saying to 'just use probes'.
how do I fit an expanded probe launcher to my thorax?
Have your links pilot put out probes.
Or fly Legion with ELA sub. You lose a mid but get all the scans.
Or have a fleet mate in a confessor.
Or maybe small gang always should have included a scout, CCP just removed the option. |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.22 14:53:25 -
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Ehud Gera wrote:
Solo and small gang pilots find it daunting to not even be able to gather intel without gimping their fit with an expanded probe launcher. (Especially in lowsec!)
As a true solo low sec PvE toon, I can't wait for these changes.
I do my PvE in a T3, that can easily fit an expanded probe launcher to an actual combat fit. Sure it took some SP investment, and I am losing a mid slot to be able to run the probes full time, but it won't overly affect my site times, and as long as I keep my head about me, my risk level will not rise to an unacceptable level.
What will happen is that competition for the sites is going to go way down as people who are too afraid to step out of their Ishtar comfort zone no longer put their HAC's at risk because they are not able to run probes on their main screen.
The guy running an actual solo setup will only need to make some slight adjustments to be able to function in low sec with the new meta. The multi toon people are the ones who are actually affected more. They won't be able to be scanning down the next systems while their Ishtar afk's through the sites for them. They will have to keep their scanning alt in system to protect their mission runner, which will really hurt their ISK efficiency.
On the plus side to that of course is that if I see the local multi tooners running sites and they move their scanner out of system, I can always swap to a recon and contest the site.
So as a solo PvE player, I stand to make more money, face less competition, and potentially get some PvP kills if someone does not have the right focus. All it costs me is a mid slot, and a more active approach to site running. |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.25 04:29:52 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Point is things should not be balanced around bring an alt, because in all circumstances that what d-scan invisibility requires. No one is going to be willing to spen there night in a combat probing ship hitting scan every 10 seconds with a recon filter set. No one will be willin to sit at a WH waiting to tell others that a neutral has entered.
T3's and D3's can both run probes on a combat fit. No need for an alt if you demand near immunity.
Want to run something else solo you take the risk.
Most of the carebear complaints revolve around not wanting to share the results of their pve with other people. If you are so opposed to working with other people why even play an MMO?
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Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.25 15:07:41 -
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MachineOfLovingGrace wrote:
So yes, I'd say there is a pretty big change here. A lot of people are worried that their style of play will become harder and be less fun, and I can see why.
There are two components that need to be addressed seperately so here we go.
PvE is going to get harder:
Good. PvE in this game is already an exceptional borefest. There is little to no challenge, no variety, and it very quickly becomes a rote memorization exercise. Having more capsuleer spawns in signatures is a good thing, for both the hunter and the hunted.
Anything that makes shooting red crosses less mundane is a good thing. Also, this change might help alter the current low sec dynamic of having your scanning alt finding your next site while your Ishtar pretty much afks the one you are currently in.
PvE is going to get less fun:
I didn't know it was possible to get less fun than it already is. PvE in this game is pretty bad. The only "fun" involved is in seeing how much ISK you are generating.
The carebear style of play will always survive. I don't intend to stop doing PvE, and these changes are not even going to slow me down.
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Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.26 06:13:09 -
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Khamal Kahn wrote:Ehud Gera wrote: ...[snip] ...
It really doesn't make any sense to do DSCAN immunity, using a cloak is DSCAN immunity, why do we need a gimmick on a hull type that desperately needs a unique role and t2 resists would give it that.
With this iteration you won't see recons used in new roles, you'll just see them used in niche ganking scenarios where you might have seen their cloaky brothers instead. Well stated Mr. Gera! Very well indeed. T2 resists on the non-CovOps cloak capable recons would be a much better direction. And yes, all this will produce is a new iteration or variation of ganking. As a dedicated wormhole dweller the proposed recon ship changes are exceedingly troublesome to see. It will very significantly impact wormhole operations in a bad way. I'm not whining (well, maybe I am). I'm simply lamenting the sadly common "who cares" attitude that CCP seems to apply to dedicated whspace dwellers.
You are whining that you will be facing increased risk. You are also whining because you intentionally overstated your case in your first post on this page.
The only thing your posts make me wonder is why you even live in holes if you are so afraid of other people. You can do your pve with much less risk elsewhere. |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.26 06:15:02 -
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Ehud Gera wrote:Orange Faeces wrote:Ehud Gera wrote: ... It really doesn't make any sense to do DSCAN immunity, using a cloak is DSCAN immunity, why do we need a gimmick on a hull type that desperately needs a unique role and t2 resists would give it that. ...
Amazing -- you give a ship a 'cloak' that keeps them off d-scan, but prevents them from AFK cloaking in your farming systems, and you carebears still complain. Never saw that one coming... Mate quit with name calling. If I'm anything it's not a carebear. Reply to what is relevant, recons don't need DSCAN immunity they need a new resist profile to make them a viable fleet option. I will use these to gank if they're given DSCAN immunity too, I just know it's not what is healthy for the game. And btw pve carebears in recons still produce scannable intel (wrecks) that an intelligent hunter can identify, gankers do not, therefore the argument that it effects both play styles equally can be easily argued. Did you think about that, or read about it on an early page of the forum before posting your drivel of "grr carebear whiners!" Ask yourself this: can I do almost anything in a cloaky ship with a tiny bit more work and skill what I could do in a DSCAN immune ship? The answer is mostly yes. Now ask yourself can I replace t3's as the only good option for higher end fleet ewar with the new recons. The answer is no. It just doesn't make sense.
You are right, they should add back the T2 resists and leave the bears to their tears. |
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Therapists Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.29 01:44:35 -
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Akemon Numon wrote:Looks like the 'let's give Recons too many buffs and then keep the one we (ccp) wanted from before we even released info on the patch change. Let them argue for a few hundred pages and then go with what we intended from the beginning. See players you do make a "difference" and we monitored and followed the discourse closely, however...
People cried, the resists got rolled back.
Your argument is invalid. |
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